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Portraying yourself in a world of assumption.

In my line of work, I guess we have a stereotype of where each person belongs to. We meet new people all the time and automatically place a job label according to how you dress, your outlook appearance and where you are positioned in the office.

When I first joined the Black Pencil. I came in dressed as how a Brand Executive or “Suit” should do. Buttoned down tucked in shirt, slacks, a nice tie fitting for any moment where you have to meet a client. 

We would do that as a fresh newbie who joined in the mix of a new atmosphere, feeling the vibe of the people, the environment around you. And you would see that you stood out like a fillet of salmon in a salad bowl full of greens, and everyone will know that you are that new guy in the office. 

So I spent time observing how everyone dresses, designers, copywriters, veneculars, GMs, ADs, Production, Studio, Brand teams.

So from that day of observation, I see how the creatives are themselves, in how they dress, but in a neat and presentable and artsy way, being themselves mainly cause they don’t usually meet clients, which was cool, cause it’s them being comfortable and themselves in an environment that bring heaps of demands to the table on a daily basis. For me, the days where I will be in the office, my colleagues who knows me would call me the rogue BE (Brand Executive), for me to wear jeans, flannel shirts, or even a t-shirt, would be unacceptable in the eyes of the client servicing personnel. 

The Brands would usually be the ones suited up. But still a touch of semi-formal neatly ironed button down shirts untucked over a pair of jeans (not faded), with clients in their black and whites, with the “yeah they are a creative agency, that’s how they dress up.” deemed acceptable in the eyes of clients during a meet. While for me I will always have a set of formal apparels and black shoes in my drawer in case of an impromptu meet, or when a black tie event comes around. 

But it comes to a point where people would guess wrongly nowadays on their appearance vs. their job titles. Just yesterday a group of us headed out for lunch when one of the guys (Arc AD) introduced himself to us, and he would guess our job title during our salutations. 

“Ah you must be a designer.”

 

“Nice to meet you, you’re an AD (Art Director)?”

 

“Ah so you are in servicing?”

Funny thing is how it is so true that most of us would all be dressed our parts in each department of the Agency. My fellow Brand Executives would be wearing their blouses, lady suits, cocktail dresses, or for the guys the slacks and the jackets with the buttoned down shirts and complimentary ties. Now that yesterday I was wearing a folded sleeves checkered shirt (which is now really beggy and loose, from my fitness regime that I’ve been doing), with my faded charcoal jeans and Nike sneakers. 

Arc AD: “Nice to meet you Danny. So are you a writer?” 

 

Me: “Nice to meet you too man. No I’m a Brand Executive.” 

 

Arc AD, with a confused and surprised look: “Really? Well, you dress more like a writer, definitely do not look like an AE! I mean she looks like

an AE (pointing at my Brand executive colleague) but not you!”

Then we went on with the rest of the group on how each of us look, and came to a conclusion that now it’s different. From the early days of Advertising where everyone wears suits including creatives to today where now we are segment stereo typically by the image we fashion ourselves to the norm in the eyes of each beholder. Though sometimes it would be nice to dress like Don Draper at points.

Dress like how we ourselves would like to be seen in our roles through our actions, fashions and confabulations. That brings out our individuality, the rogue, solitary atmosphere and vibe you give. 

Though I know at some point in the near future, where I will grow to appreciate words and its expressive language and music. 

 

 

 

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New trends in Warewolves?

You know in High school you have the Jocks, Goths, Cheerleaders, Musicians, Asians and those stereotypical characteristics from each groups that we see in Teen movies? Well… mix that with Twilight and you get real werewolves?

Check this vid out! (extracted from: http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/6RSUp6/techland.com/2010/05/24/warning-teen-werewolves-spotted-in-san-antonio/)

Hmm… what happens when they meet Vamps? lols!

Vampire Kids by Freaky Egg

This is what I think ;p (not so drastic la… XD)

Any “NEW” Trends that you guys can think of in society?

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The rabbit hole

was watching Alice in wonderland Cartoon version from the 1950s earlier today…

coming back to Malaysia is my Rabbit Hole… and I want to get out of it…. I have have been pondering this thought that I will never be able to settle down properly after leaving my good friends, stayed overseas in my “home” country… since touching down back to Malaysia… 5 years ago…

Till today.. i still feel like a Foreigner in my country of citizenship.. I guess it’s my passport ,the skin, the blood and that says i am a Malaysian… while my heart, my soul never really felt that way.. it was never settled..

Feels like i am homesick away from home…

Feels like I am all alone here…. Guess I can’t relate to anyone here… or share my deepest thoughts to… even to my family.. I know my God is there to be my comforter, my friend, my father in heaven, my friend, but I guess I don’t have that closeness with anyone here since 5 years back…

No doubt I meet new people and have new friends but friendship takes time to build… and I feel dis-attached

I feel like an outcast…Feels like I am going crazy…

My mix feelings for people has grown and I am developing Punch-Drunk emotions all the time….

When things don’t happen the way it was planned, false promises…

Is there something wrong with me??? Why don’t I get the same respect?

Seriously I am tired of people telling me “maybe” when what they meant was
“I will wait to see if my other friends has something better and more fun offers to do” or just “plain I don’t want to go. Just tell me straight so that i don’t have to waste time to feel this way and get last minute cancellations and false hope…

I guess I don’t get the commitments I deserve when I give so much of my time… I guess I over expect things and become disappointed in the end.

I have feelings that I want to express to the person I admire and a person who I got to know and care so much for in this short time I got to know her… but I can’t. Things run through my mind. I get jealous that you hang out with others more… I get sick of not being able to talk to you, I get pissed off that in the end i am just being used… not for real, as I have been warned that you are poison… which I’ve tried to ignore countless of times cause I hoped and believed that it was not true…

I make time for you, I deferred my plans and arrangements for you . I guess I do not have the courage to tell you how I feel about you.Fear that you don’t feel the same way? I do …

You consume my thoughts and mind.Thoughts of us spending time together..Your hair, your beauty, your smile, your voice,  your imperfectness, my memories and I guess I am not good at showing, expressing and telling you my feelings…

As the date of my departure comes closer.. All the more I don’t know… For this short time we know each other… I feel more that I need you like a addict to a drug…

I guess it’s never wrong that I have had to come back as I have had wonderful and also the most lowest and worst experiences of my life… to have to lose Torrie… It’s all in God’s plan i guess… as I am reminded of His perfect plan for my life..It is a turbulent roller coaster ride…and my personality and though have changeand grown… to be the person I am today…

How far does this Punch-Drunkedness go? How deep has the rabbit hole gone? I don’t know… I just want it to stop… and get away…

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Oh My God!!! Zara, Pull & Bear, Massimo Dutti Warehouse Sale!

Let me tell you this…

DannyBoy is back and running again! THough am amidst my exams but I managed to find time to blog! Apologies to my faithful readers!

To kick things off… I had a blast at the Zara, Pull & Bear, Massimo Dutti Warehouse Sale!

Warehouse Clearance Bunting

Warehouse Clearance Bunting

It was definitely an awesome experience.. Think about the recent flick a month back, Confessions of a Shopaholic, where the scene where all the women went berserk and crazy at a sale? It was exactly as crazy!

My self and 2 fellow Fashionistas were there at approximately 10:15 a.m 45 mins before the doors open! Yes… we are crazy and its a sale.. and we were not the only ones!

There was already 2 queues!

The queue 45 mins before Opening at 11 a.m

The queue 45 mins before Opening at 11 a.m

It started to get crowded and crowded until there was really no point in having a queue in the first place! People started to cut in is now like a stampede! Everyone was packed like a can of tuna, people pushing and shoving to try to get it first and basically… Grab the best first!!!!

Growing queue as Opening draws near!

Growing queue as Opening draws near!

Crowded like canned tuna!

Crowded like canned tuna!

People were so desperate to come in that they were getting more violent where while we were enjoying ourselves in the vacinity, people were screaming and shouting and trying to force themselves in until the sliding wall doors were vibrating and moving and one or two of the sliding doors came off! They even had to stick tape on to the glass so that it won’t shatter!

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Taped sliding glass doors

Security with Hailers to help suppress violent crowd

Security with Hailers to help suppress violent crowd

Crazy people! Gosh BE CIVILIZED! The bouncers outside had to scream at the screaming people outside and prevent a havoc accoring! Good job security! It’s only la people! … SALE… HAHAHAH!!! Too bad! you guys came later so too bad! All the nice clothes are mine! Muahahha!! …

When I got in… it felt weird and treasure hunt like… and my single and main mission was to find all the things that I want fast and quick before someone lays hands and eyes on my ‘precious’!

There was so much on dirt cheap and rediculous prices! Almost a give away!

Rm9.90 , Rm 29.90, Rm 39.90, RM 49.90, Rm 59.90… I was in awe! I mean.. ZARA! Pull & Bear! & Massimo!!!

Ok.. normally warehouse sale means really crappy dented and not 100% quality products or has faults in it! But no… it was freaking the really thing! I asked the saleswomen nearby and she said that the new season is arriving soon and strictly all of this season has to go before the season ends!

I was shocked i managed to capture pictures …. normally there would be like.. no cameras, no food and no bags signs… but there wasn’t any so i just clicked away! But they did tie up hand bags and totes to prevent theft obviously.

My fellow fashionistas got a pair of gorgeous suade Massimo Dutti heels for only Rm169.90 when the normal price is Rm500.oo! She got a few other tops as well. but all were in the range of Rm 19.90 to 39.90!

Myself? Hehe…

I got this Zara hoodie for RM 69.90! Original price:  Rm 199.90!

My new hoodie!

My new hoodie!

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The original price....

The original price....

Zara Accessories Dark Blue Scarf for Rm 29.90! Original price: Rm119.90!

New Dark Blue Scarf!

New Dark Blue Scarf!

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the ori price!

the ori price!

Xdye accessories by Pull & Bear Belt at Rm19.90! Original price: Rm 139.90!

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My New and 1st P&B belt!

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Original Price total: Rm 459.70

Total Spent: Rm 119.70!

And you may ask.. only?? Well.. thing is the stuff there for guys (am not sure on the girls) there are more XXL than the regulars.. I heard one dude cursing that there were only sizes for big people and there was no S or M.. In my mind I was like… hehe … that’s why I am here.. HAHAHA!!!

On a normal day, I would be buying loads of stuff and don’t care how much as long as the quality was good and it was worth it and cheap! But.. I put a cap on myself today. I only brought RM 210 with me and no ATM cards! Had to limit and not be a shopaholic!

“I am Danny, I went to the Zara,  Pull & Bear, Massimo Dutti Warehouse Sale and I only spent Rm 119.70! And I am NOT a Shopaholic!”

*Big Smiles*

*Shopaholic Anonymous group applauds and gave a standing ovation!*

Hehe.. Am dreaming! 🙂

For more info refer to the first picture of this post!

Cheers and Shopaholics unite!

For more pictures click here!

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[Movie Review] Confessions of A Shopaholic

I just watched this movie with my fellow Epicurean and Fashionistas on Monday night, Sarah & Esther! I could not have picked a more perfect pair of good friends to watch with especially when it comes to Epicureanism and Fashionista!

Fashionista & Epicurean: Sarah Kate Lee
Fashionista & Epicurean: Sarah Kate
Fashionista & Epicurean: Esther

Fashionista & Epicurean: Esther showing off her new buy! Nine West!!

Fashionista & Epicurean: DannyBoy

Fashionista & Epicurean: DannyBoy and Men's August April *09 Issue

We ate at Groovy groovy Sushi Groove… Actually compared to the last time i went to Sushi Groove (over 2 years ago!), the quality of the food was much better than last time and now they are having promotion on 50%off on selected items and the food was of satisfactory level! Nothing much to shout about its just honest, decent food at a good price!

Esther 7 Sarah at Sushi Groove

Esther & Sarah at Sushi Groove

Me Enjoying my food!

Me Enjoying my food!

After eating we headed straight for the movie that we have been dying to watch!

Confessions!

Confessions!

I must say Confessions of A shopaholic from the movie and the book is so  erm different (as per normal with movies nowadays.. I call it the Harry Potter effect). Ok.. the book Confessions of A Shopaholic is the first book in a 5 part collection series of Rebecca Bloomwood’s life. The movie showed from the first book to the 3rd or 4th book compressed in a one hour and a half film! I tell you! The movie was very speedy! The small little details from the first book and second are all like.. not existant in the movie! And actually she only meets the editor of the Savings magazine on the 3rd book! That was how compressed the movie was!

But on a lighter note. For those who have not read the book.. I would say that it was a fun and entertaining movie.. well so are all chick flicks!  It was really good and there were lots of ‘oooo’, ‘Ahh’ and other expressions from the audiences in the movie theatre.

Here are the quotes that I love from the movie:

I can’t find the quote to my favourite line in the movie. It is when Rebecca Bloomwood was at one her first meeting at the Shopaholic Anonymous where she just describesthe feeling of shopping! I was like drulling and like going crazy in my heart like I wanna explode! 😀

“When I was 7 most of my friends stopped believing in magic. That’s when I first started. They were beautiful, they were happy. They didn’t even need any money, they had magic cards.”

“You know that thing when you see someone cute and he smiles and your heart kind of goes like warm butter sliding down hot toast? Well that’s what it’s like when I see a store. Only it’s better.”

“We all have a destiny in life and since 14 I knew I was put on this earth to shop.”

“I’m Rebecca Bloomwoodand I’m a shopaholic.”

I’ve made so many mistakes and I feel like taking this job would be another one.”

“When I shop the world gets better, the world is better; and then it’s not anymore and I have to do it again.”

I just loved those quotes! I was like going to stand up and run out of the cinema and head straight to Zara! LOL!

THere will definately be a sequel to the movie haha! There are more to the series! (hints: think.. marriage, babies?) Oops! hehe…

My rating : 6/10

After the movie, us three went to Zara straight to have a look at their SALE, pity its only the lady’s stuff having the major mark downs.. I kinda won’t be surprised if saw a mob of ladies lining up in waiting to enter the sale and grab and fight over the clothes just like in Shopaholic hehe… I saw a really nice pair of sneakers in Zara.. maybe getting my new pair soon! My converse is in a mess!

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The 10 Most Stylish Men in America

GQhas tapped the worlds of music, art, film, and beyond to assemble a collection of guys we can all take our cues from. No royals, no socialites, no pretty-boy actors—just real men with real style.

Justin Timberlake
The man who helped bring fedoras—and sweater vests, and beards, and three-piece suits, and skinny ties—back.

J.T

J.T

Justin Timberlake can—and will—wear nearly anything. But he’s discerning. He’ll sport a trench coat, for example, but only if it fits just right. “You don’t want to look like Inspector Gadget,” he says. And as an L.A. guy, he loves a T-shirt. These days he goes for simple graphic ones that can be dressed up or down. His vintage tees, though, have mostly gone the way of his trucker hats. “I used to have an amazing collection,” he says, “but Jess and my cousin Rachael have pretty much grabbed them all.”

Jacket, $700; vest, $165; and jeans, $220: all by William Rast. Shirt, $168, by Steven Alan. Tie, $145, by Jil Sander. Vintage belt by Melet Mercantile.

Mark Ronson

Mark Ronson

Mark Ronson
DJ, Producer

Ronson wears the of-the-moment uniform—slim suit, skinny tie—in such a way that doesn’t make you want to punch him. How? He respects details like the taper of the pants and the length of the tie—and he backs the Mr. Success look up with actual success.

“Over the past five or six years, I became obsessed with ’60s soul and Motown. On the back cover of all those Blue Note records, you’d see the guys going into the studio to play on sessions, and they’d all be dressed up. You have to dress like you take your job seriously. When you’re in a room working with the Kaiser Chiefs, these five lads from Leeds who have this sort of gang mentality, it’s like being a schoolteacher. It helps if you wear a tie as a sign of authority. One day I had to do some laundry when I was working on that record. I came into the studio in jeans and a T-shirt, and Ricky was like, ‘I’m not listening to you today. You look like a 14-year-old fool.’”

Suit, $1,195 by Versace Collection. Tie, $125, by Versace. Shirt, $220, by Band of Outsiders. Chelsea boots, $695.

Alexi Lubomirski
Photographer

Alexi Lubomirski

Alexi Lubomirski

Lubomirski is a photographer you could easily mistake for a model—one cast in a fashion spread called “How to Achieve Timeless Elegance in a Blue Shirt and Jeans.” Born in England and raised in France and Botswana, he’s worldly enough to pull off undoing that third shirt button.

“My mother told me when I was about 12 that I should wear blue because I’ve got blue eyes. It stuck. Every time we watched old movies together, she would point out to me who was dressed well and who wasn’t. So all my icons are the old guys: Paul Newman. Robert Redford in Three Days of the Condor. I remember watching that and stealing his style. Basically, it’s a uniform: the blue shirt, the jeans, the Indiana Jones–style boots. When I started working for Mario [Testino],I was a student from a tiny town in England where everybody wore exactly the same thing—hooded tops and baggy trousers—but I love things that are superfitted. And like I said, I pretty much wear the same stuff all the time.”

Vest, $285, by Rag & Bone. Shirt, $40, by H&M. Jeans, $275, by Nudie Jeans. Cap by Scala from Dorfman Pacific.

André Balazs

Andre Balazs

Andre Balazs

Hotelier, Scene MagnetIf you’ve ever set foot on an André Balazs property—the legendary Chateau Marmont, say—you know his philosophy: Style isn’t about exclusivity or trends; it’s about honesty, authenticity, and above all else, comfort.

“I view myself as a very traditionalist hotelier, regardless of what kinds of labels get placed on me for this or that, or for my clientele. To me, what makes a hotel great doesn’t come from the Zeitgeist. The new Standard [hotel] in New York, for example, has what I call a familiar modernity. It’s not using design as a gimmick; it’s using design to achieve a purpose, a sense of emotional well-being. It’s the same with style. There’s a million ways to be stylish, as long as it’s true to the individual or the place. But comfort is the most important thing. Comfort is like happiness—who’s not looking for happiness?”

Trench coat, $1,695, by Burberry. Suit, $2,200, by Louis Vuitton. Shirt, $385, by Oumlil. Tie, $155, by Massimo Bizzocchi.

Kanye West
Pop Musician, Aspiring Designer

Kanye West

Kanye West

Stylistically, Kanye no longer seems like a sugar-deprived kid in a candy store. Yes, he’s still flashy and attitudinal. But whereas he used to look like he was flaunting all those luxury labels, now he looks like he’s expressing himself through them.“At photo shoots, people are always trying to put that Day-Glo suit on me: ‘Kanye West is gonna wear this Day-Glo suit.’ No, Kanye West is not! I might wear a Day-Glo pocket square. Or socks. But I’m a normal human being! Kanye West is not your hanger. With this outfit here, I wasn’t trying to say anything—it’s just what appealed to me. It’s instinct: color. Fabric. The way it feels on you. I feel like the outfit was a 95 percenter. I had on the mid-cut Common Projects. But as soon as I got home, I’m looking at the low-cut Common Projects, and I’m like, ‘That would’ve looked better. Maybe they can do something with that in Photoshop.’”

Jacket, $3,425, by Dior Homme. Shirt, $445 and pants, $445, by Jil Sander. Sneakers, $335, by Common Projects. Sunglasses and leggings (as scarf) by Louis Vuitton.

Sid Mashburn (and staff)
Haberdasher, Southern Gentleman

Sid Mashburn & staff

Sid Mashburn & staff

Sid Mashburn is a throwback to a time when looking sharp was about a lot more than labels. His philosophy—the one reflected in his Atlanta store—is that good style is about knowing how to tie a tie, dress right for an occasion, and be comfortable in your own skin.“My look is kind of an amalgam of different things: European, preppy, southern. Preppy is oftentimes pejorative, but if you really boil it down, it’s nothing more than classic clothes—a pair of khaki pants, a Shetland sweater.”

On Sid (third from left): Suit, $1,575, by Raffaele Caruso for Sid Mashburn. Shirt, $175, tie, $95, shoes, $595, and belt by Sid Mashburn. On staff: Clothes by Sid Mashburn.

T.I.
World-class MC

T.I

T.I

The Atlanta-based rapper rejects hip-hop’s merry-go-round of trends in favor of tailored blazers, jeans of distinctly hip-hopian proportions, and one trademark: a hat cocked at an extreme angle. Only problem now? He’s due for prison time. But look for him to pick up where he left off—fashionwise, anyway—the day he gets out.

“Every morning, I start with my shoes. Usually, I have a pair that I just know I wanna wear, and from there I put my shirt with my shoes, my pants with my shirt, my belt with my shoes and my shirt. I have real basic, old-school, classic style, homey. I’m still a Polo kid. I still like my pants to fit a certain way. I got first-grade pictures of me in suits. So I guess the fact that more formal stuff like blazers is acceptable in hip-hop these days…I could take a little credit for that.”

Sports jacket, $1,860, and cardigan, $1,195, by Gucci. T-shirt, $16, by Calvin Klein Underwear. Jeans, $86, by Akoo. Sneakers, $390, by Marc Jacobs. Hat by Prada. Watch by Breitling.

Glenn O’Brien
GQ’s Style Guy

glenn O'Brien

glenn O'Brien

Find us an icon of New York’s punk/new-wave scene who looks as bold today as he did in 1978. Fact is, most are dead, washed-up, or worse—banking. The secret to Glenn O’Brien’s style longevity: He hasn’t strayed from his roots.

“How have I stayed stylish? I’ve always worn the same clothes. I have ties older than my wife. I think I’ve had this suit for twelve years. And it’s my favorite suit. Style is about expressing your personality, and it’s not like that changes from one year to the next. Winston Churchill had incredible style, and it was permanent. When I had shoulder-length hair, I wore the same kinds of clothes I wear now. I never wore bell-bottoms. It’s also about dressing with respect. My grandmother was a big influence on me in that way. If I was going on a date, she’d say, ‘You can’t wear that pink shirt—what’s the girl’s mother going to say? Have some respect.’”

Coat (his own) by John Pearse. Suit (his own) by Anderson & Sheppard. Shirt, $485, by Charvet. Slippers, $350, by Belgian Shoes. Vintage tie by Dries Van Noten. Duffel bag by T. Anthony.

Jason Schwartzman
Actor, Indie Rocker

Jason Schwartzman

Jason Schwartzman

Even when he was an awkward kid playing an even more awkward kid in Rushmore, you could tell Jason Schwartzman had style. Behold, a decade or so later he’s an ace at looking cool in a suit.

“Ever since I was a little boy and I had to dress up, I liked suits. I’d slick my hair back and be like ‘Yeah!’ When I talked to the casting director about going in for Rushmore, I remember I was wearing tails. When I met Wes Anderson, he didn’t wear suits. He wore a collared shirt with corduroys and a sweater—always. Then he got to suits. Later, I decided that I wanted to wear them, and I asked Wes where to go. I got a blue one, a pin-striped one, and a gray one. I like combining different things like a sweatshirt and a suit, but I don’t feel totally comfortable going balls to the wall; one half of me doesn’t want to stand out, and another part loves Keith Moon.”

Suit, $1,940; baseball jacket, $455; shirt, $230;and tie, $125: all by Band of Outsiders. Vintage sneakers by Adidas Originals. Sunglasses by Ray-Ban.

Ed Ruscha (and son, Eddie)
Artist, L.A. Icon

Ed Ruscha & Son, Eddie

Ed Ruscha & Son, Eddie

At the age of 71, Ruscha brings to his style the same attitude and humor that imbues his artwork. Exception: He may have created those iconic “word paintings,” but he says he “never liked T-shirts with sayings on ’em.”

“My style is…loose and lazy? [laughs] It has everything to do with living out here. I’ve got a pair of 501s on now. And I have several pairs of thin cotton pants by Armand Basi, which are good for this weather. René Magritte—he’d paint wearing a suit and tie. Artists got rough-and-ready around the ’50s—all-out comfort became important. For twenty-five years, all I bought was used clothing. The only extravagance was that I had a couple of sequined cowboy shirts made. I don’t like all-black and I don’t wear suits and ties that often. When I do wear a tie, it’s usually a bolo tie. I have a collection of ’em—I like those little strings that dangle.”

On Ed: Suit jacket, $1,185,and pants, $590, by Costume National. Vintage shirt by PS Paul Smith. Vintage bolo tie (his own). Sneakers, $50, by Converse. On Eddie: Vintage t-shirt and hat (his own). Jeans, $155, by A.P.C. Custom

Theses are definitely trend setting men in today’s generation, with J.T bringing back the old school to vintage-modern wear by Jason Schwartzman and the semi-formal wear by Ruscha.

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The Best Shoes for Men’s Khakis and Chinos

Wondering which shoes to pair with those khakis and chinos? It all depends on the outfit, the occasion, and the look you’re going for.

The good news is that because khakis are so versatile, they can be worn with a huge variety of shoe styles. But remember, khakis aren’t suit pants, and they aren’t jeans. Therefore the trick in wearing khakis successfully is to avoid shoes that are too dressy, or too casual.

Here are a few of the best shoes to wear with khakis.

Sandals

Weather permitting, sandals are a fabulous choice for keeping khakis looking casual. But choose your sandals wisely, lest you get into that dangerous territory where you just look confused.

Bright colors are a definite “don’t,” as are most sandals with rubber straps.

Instead, look for sleek, stylish sandals like thongs and slides with smooth uppers in black, browns, dusky blues, muted greens, earthy shades or even whites.

Trendier styles, such as those with frayed edges, toe rings, or hardware can really lend an edge to khakis, but should only be worn in very casual settings.

Sneakers

Aside from wearing them with flip-flops, the quickest way to take khakis to their most casual level is by pairing them with sneakers. But even if you’re going for a laid-back look, there’s no need to be sloppy about it.

Unless you’re under 21, in a band, on a skateboard, or have several tats and piercings to support your rebellious ways, it’s best to avoid wearing certain sneakers with khakis. Ratty high tops, skate shoes, and puffy white trainers are just a little “too” casual for most occasions.

Instead, look for laid-back slip-ons, earth-toned retro styles, or anything with a bit of European flair. Avoid heavy velcro-straps, big logos, bright colors, and anything that’s too “busy” with stripes or patterns.

Casual Shoes: Oxfords, Loafers, Mocs, etc.

There are very few casual shoes that don’t work with chinos and khakis. Whether you prefer a lace-up oxford or a slip-on shoe, the main thing to remember is that you want a shoe that works with the rest of your outfit, not one that overpowers it.

To keep your shoes from stealing the attention from the rest of your outfit, avoid styles that have a lot of fussy detailing, wild prints, or features that make them seem overly clunky.

When it’s a casual look you’re going for, you don’t want your shoes to seem like a try-hard. Look for simple, attractive styles in a color that complements the rest of your ensemble.

Dress Shoes: Trendy or Classic

As I said above, khakis are not a substitute for suit pants. However, they can be brought to a level that is quite appropriate for many business settings and dressier occasions.

While most dress shoes will work well with chinos, I prefer to see really shiny black dress shoes saved for suits and other dress pants. But a pair of khakis is the perfect complement for all those trendy dress styles that might be a little too trendy for really formal settings. They’re also great for pairing with different materials and textures.

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